Living Your Life on Purpose: Nina Hirlaender’s Mystical Path Toward Flourishing
“A person carrying nothing can respond to anything.”
A conversation with Nina Hirlaender
By Allen Simon

Eight waypoints
As Nina Hirlaender tells the stories of her beloved Christian mystics, she does so with a level of intimacy that makes it feel as though she is telling her own story—and in a sense, she is. Like Ignatius of Loyola, her career and identity were irreversibly shattered by a sudden health crisis, but in the process, she discovered new ways of learning and knowing. Like Teilhard de Chardin, she found God, unwittingly, in a dark and unexpected place, revealing new horizons of love in her life that had always been present but had gone largely unnoticed. And like the namesake of the Franciscan Order she belongs to, Nina was able to chart a new path forward in life with a particular kind of play and freedom that is won by letting go of worldly pursuits.
“It was simultaneously the worst day of my life and also the best day of my life,” Nina says of her connective tissue cancer diagnosis in her early 20s. It was the end of her life, but not in the way she had initially feared; instead, it ended her socially inherited life and marked the beginning of her journey toward living consciously, flourishing, and helping others to do the same. In my 2-and-a-half years of knowing and working alongside Nina, I have learned to see spiritual concepts such as prayer and service in entirely new ways: with more depth, more openheartedness, and even a more playful spirit. It is my humble honor to now give you a taste of Nina’s refreshing views on spirituality, flourishing, and conscious living.
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Everything You Own Owns You Back
Nina is an ordained Franciscan sister, following in the path of Francis of Assisi, a Christian saint who renounced a life of comfort and excess upon discovering that riches and worldly possessions are decidedly not what brings us to a state of flourishing.
Self-emptyingField note 1“For those of you that don't know, a little bit about Francis: Francis was born wealthy. He was the son of a rich cloth merchant, and he grew up with all these fine clothes and parties and very much lived a life of comfort. And there's a famous story in his life that…his father drags him in front of the bishop and the whole town of Assisi. And Francis strips off every piece of clothing that he's wearing, right there in the public square, until he's standing there, in front of the entire town, completely naked. And he folds his clothes neatly, and he sets them in a pile at his father's feet. And it's very famous, this story, because, well, it's dramatic, but it's also the most literal picture of self-emptying that you can imagine. Because he really walked out of that square owning nothing. And it was then that it was the first time really in his life that he belonged entirely to himself and entirely to God. And Francis found that freedom in a concept that most of us spend our whole lives avoiding, which is that everything that you own, in some way, owns you back. So, every possession is something that you have to protect and worry about losing. And every bit of status that we gain in life, at school, in our work, is something that we have to keep defending. And the more we accumulate, the more of our attention has to go against guarding it all.”
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Self-emptying
St. Francis did not renounce his life of luxury simply out of principle, but because of the real practical benefits he experienced in doing so, benefits that are available to all who seek a life of flourishing. The love, learn, play mindset, too, cannot exist only in principle. And St. Francis teaches us, as he taught Nina, that the play that is won through embracing a life of freedom from possessions enables us to not just appreciate the value of loving and learning, but to actually act out loving and learning more richly in our day-to-day lives.
AvailabilityField note 2“And that freedom is the core value of Franciscans, and the order still stands by it today. And Francis had a different name for it. He called it poverty. But what it really is is availability. Because a person carrying nothing can respond to anything. And I think that's the part that translates most directly to our modern lives today. Because most of us, we miss those promptings. Not because we don't hear them, but because we're so weighed down by our schedules and our accumulation of wealth and our degrees. We're so weighed down by these things that we don't act on those inner promptings. You know, you feel a nudge to call a friend—you've been thinking about them—but you talk yourself out of it because you're busy. Or you pass a homeless person on the street who clearly needs help, but we've numbed ourselves, and it's so inconvenient to notice them, so we just ignore them. And this availability that Francis stood for is keeping yourself light enough that, when the moment comes, you can actually say yes to it.”
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Availability
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Letting Go of (Old) Life
Nina was terrified when she was diagnosed with cancer, as we all would be. She worried her life would be cut extremely short, before she had gotten the chance to even reach full adulthood. She desperately wanted to live, wanted to survive, and wanted to appeal to a higher power to intervene and right the immense injustice that had befallen her. But something stopped her short of making this appeal.
More than survivalField note 1“I had this thought that is completely outside of the norm, which is: If I'm cured tomorrow, would it actually help my soul flourish? Would it make me more loving? If I was cured, would it make me become a more honest, more compassionate, more awake person? And the truthful answer in that moment was no. Because being handed my old life back would have been kind of like going backwards. So, it's not that I didn't want to survive. I did, but I wanted more than that. I wanted to flourish. And anyway, I didn't dare to pray for survival, because I genuinely didn't know if it was meant for me.”
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More than survival
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True Joy Trumps Happiness
“True joy” is the language that Nina uses to speak about flourishing and how it, as a lasting state of being, is different from the fleeting feeling of happiness. True joy, Nina explains by way of another story about St. Francis, comes not from the pursuit of more but from understanding that flourishing does not depend on outer circumstances; we all have the capacity to flourish, at all times, once we recognize it as something that comes from within.
Stay in loveField note 1“Joy is the capacity to stay in love when everything else has been stripped away. And this kind of ties back to your question about flourishing, because I think we tend to use these words, joy and happiness, as if they're the same thing, but they're really not. You know, happiness…happiness is like what the body feels, what we feel when the world cooperates. It's when the good news arrives or the scan comes back clean or the to-do list is done, and it's lovely. But it's completely dependent on circumstances.”
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Stay in love
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Learning What Draws Us Toward Love
When Nina was in her hospital bed, recovering from her cancer treatments, she had a lot of time on her hands to think and reflect; so, too, did another one of her spiritual role models, Ignatius of Loyola. Long before leading a religious life that would lay the foundation for the Jesuit Order, St. Ignatius was a soldier whose leg was shattered in battle. Long before the age of smartphones and screens, Ignatius’ only options for occupying himself while bedridden were reading and daydreaming. Over time, the latter began to take on a degree of depth that became the cornerstone of Ignatius’ spiritual teachings, teachings that can help us flourish by recognizing what brings love into our lives and those around us.
The aftertaste of attentionField note 1“He read these books, and he daydreamed, and that's all he did. And when he daydreamed about his old life—the glories of conquests, you know, winning a battle—it would thrill him for a while. And then it would kind of leave him feeling restless and dry and a little empty. But when he imagined giving his life to something larger, like the saints he was reading about, that good feeling he felt when he daydreamed about that: it stayed. And it left him feeling peaceful and expansive. So, his daydreams had two completely different aftertastes. And Ignatius had the genius to pay attention to that difference […] And he gave the rest of his life to teaching people how to make this distinction between what draws you toward love and what pulls you away from love, and helped people really make wise, discerning life choices. And that is the heart of Ignatian spirituality.”
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The aftertaste of attention
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Three Core Longings
At UEF, we believe that to flourish is to love, learn, and play: these are the three core longings that are intrinsic to who we are as humans. In her capacity as co-founder and Spiritual Director of Dancing Spirit Tours, Nina discovered a very similar tripartite framework for flourishing that informs her spiritual teachings: community (the essence of love), open-heartedness (an attitude that is necessary for play), and curiosity (the thirst for learning).
Permission to playField note 1“What I discovered when I crossed over from the theater world to the spiritual world is that they actually run on the same three ingredients, which are community and open-heartedness and curiosity. Those three things are what makes a play come alive, and they're exactly what makes a pilgrimage come alive too. Because in both cases you're asking people to show up, to drop the performance of who they usually are, and to become genuinely curious about what will happen next. So, the theater trained me for this work more directly than any postulancy could ever have. And my pilgrims, they really remind me of that over and over again because they have this desire to play. You know, adults want to play too. The longing we had as children is right there, fully intact. And we're often just waiting for permission. You know, somewhere along the way, we absorbed this idea that reverence means hushed voices and solemn faces.”
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Permission to play
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Healing the Cultural Wound of Matter vs Spirit
Teilhard de Chardin once wrote: “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides, and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love And then for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” In that quote are the two sides of Teilhard and the two sides of our existence that Nina says have been artificially and mistakenly cleaved apart.
Closing the gapField note 1“I love that quote. And so many people love Teilhard because he is the scientist who also believed in God. So, he's like proof that you can have both. Teilhard helped me understand a cultural wound that most of us carry without even knowing it. Now we've all inherited a worldview that draws a line straight down the middle of reality. Where you have matter on one side and spirit on the other; you have the body here and the soul over there. We treat the physical world as a kind of inert backdrop, and we act as if God is somewhere beyond where we are […] This is our story. Because we've been carrying that ache of division for a very long time. And Teilhard really spent his whole life closing that gap.”
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Closing the gap
Nina describes how Teilhard, the paleontologist, found God while digging in the dirt. For Teilhard, God is not a being or force that exists outside of our world, but instead is and always has been inherent in every part of it. There is a lesson here, too, for flourishing: it is not some rarely attained holy grail that we must spend our whole lives chasing after—it is already right here in front of us all, ready to be accepted.
Bathed in the holyField note 2“And, you know, it's why the incarnation is such a beautiful story: because it's trying to tell us about the Univocity of being all along. In Jesus, God didn't just visit the world; God revealed that God had been there the whole time in the world, as the world, since the beginning. And once that… Concept becomes real to you, not as an idea, but as something you actually feel in your life, then your understanding of human flourishing completely changes. Because the secret is no longer something you have to escape to. You know, there's no ordinary moment that you have to get through on your way to a holy moment. And it like allows you to see the face of the person across from you or the food on your plate or the breath in your body as a, like, a medium that God is reaching you…through. And I guess that's the thing that Teilhard is pointing out to us about human flourishing: you know, you don't wait for the holy to arrive. You just realize that you're already bathed in the holy. This whole time.”
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Bathed in the holy
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Mysticism: Living Your Life on Purpose
Though the particular religious tradition Nina roots herself in today is Christianity, she seems to see this as almost incidental to the more important facet of her spiritual orientation, which she describes as “mysticism,” a more direct, felt, experiential relationship with the spiritual aspect of reality.
Taste the dishField note 1“Yes, there's different types of mysticism in every religious tradition, but in some ways, religion and mysticism have little to do with one another at the start. Because a mystic is someone for whom God has stopped being a concept and become an experience. You know, most of us inherit our faith secondhand. So, we're handed beliefs about God the way that we're handed, like, a family recipe. You know? And the risk is that we can carry those beliefs our whole lives without ever really tasting the dish itself. And there's such a difference between a recipe as it's written and the taste of this delicious home-cooked meal. Same is true with religion and mysticism. The mystic is the one who tastes the dish.”
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Taste the dish
Some people attribute their miraculous healing experiences to their religious faith. Nina, conversely, says that she came to religion much later, not through some preexisting set of beliefs she had before her illness, but rather through a series of felt experiences she had while ill. As a result, she underwent a crucial shift: rather than her experiences in life being defined by a preexisting set of her beliefs, she learned that conscious living means having a willingness to constantly surrender and adapt beliefs in response to new experiences.
A doorway back inField note 2“It's, like, warm and immediate and personal. And…once that happens to a person, your entire life reorganizes itself around the experience. And I know this because, you know, it happened to me. I wasn't a follower of any faith. And I didn't really come to the mystics through religion. I actually came to religion through the mystics. And I've learned that this is actually quite a common story. Because for so many people today, the mystics are like a doorway back in because they're examples of living your life on purpose.”
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A doorway back in
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A Spirituality of Flourishing
Nina sees the mystical orientation toward spirituality as being the key to helping others heal the unhealthy relationships they have with religion. All too often, religion can take on the same blueprint as the false narratives we inherit through socialization that confuse us into thinking that flourishing comes from chasing and hoarding things, whether those are material things or a list of spiritual checkboxes.
Experiencing loveField note 1“And then the second shift is the shift from earning love to experiencing love. So many of us inherit a faith that functions like school. You know? Follow the rules, accumulate merit, hope your good deeds outweigh your bad ones. Well, this is a misunderstanding. The spiritual life is not a test of whether you are good enough. It's a relationship where you become present to the life force of the universe loving you unconditionally in real time. This single shift heals what most people find so painful about religion.”
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Experiencing love
As the mystics teach us to see God as something already present in our lives, a sense of spirituality oriented around mysticism can help us see a corresponding truth about flourishing: it, too, is already present. Love, Learn, and Play are already present in our lives in a myriad of ways. The path toward flourishing does not require us to make Herculean efforts that completely reshape our lives, but simply to see the life we already have through fresh eyes.
Start from graceField note 2“Because modern spirituality…so easily can become one more self-improvement project, one more area of your life to optimize. You know, you have religion, which is like all the rules, and then you have often what New Age spirituality is—like a self-improvement project. The mystics, they actually start from the opposite premise. They start from grace. Grace means that God moves toward you first. So, the question changes from ‘What do I need to fix about myself?’ to ‘What is God already doing in my life and how am I being invited to respond?’ And I watched that question really take weight off people's shoulders.”
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Start from grace
“Vaults of wisdom” is how Nina describes the mystical branches of the world’s religions. Today, we have unprecedented access to the wisdom of all the religious traditions and academic disciplines of knowledge that humanity has developed across time and place. We already have everything we need to flourish, if only we can see through the false divisions that are constantly being made between different groups of people and different aspects of reality. We are all one, all on the same quest toward meaning-making, conscious living, and flourishing.
Vaults of wisdomField note 3“[Mystics] were the ones who went the deepest in. They took tradition so seriously that if something didn't make sense, if something seemed incongruent, they questioned it and they insisted on finding the truth at the center of the tradition. And I think that's what these ancient traditions really are. It's like vaults of wisdom carried by communities across centuries. And the mystical tradition of every religious institution is like the vault that's waiting for you to stop admiring it and just to open it and find the treasure inside. But you need to look.”
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Vaults of wisdom
The road continues
Continue the journey
Nina will soon be launching a new website called mysticalspirituality.com, where you will be able to access a variety of resources that can help you flourish more in life. In the meantime, you can listen to Nina’s Holy Rebels podcast on any major podcasting platform or follow her on social media: Nina Hirlaender OFS.
You can also visit dancingspirittours.com if you’re interested in seeing the world in a unique and enriching way! Nina routinely guides groups of aspiring mystics on sacred journeys in France, Spain, Italy, and many other places where you can connect more deeply with her and with the lives of mystics such as St. Francis of Assisi and St. Ignatius of Loyola.
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